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1. 政策錯,付代價的卻是貧苦百姓, 2012-03-29 12:20:48

真相大哥:

你花了不少時間以似是而非的data企圖為cy的85000解剖。其實將會是弄巧成拙,越描越黑。等有識之士直斥其非。我想你再辛苦些,再找找數據,告訴全港市民,到底八萬五害而死了多少港人?今天失業,明天銀主上門,妻離子散,茫茫蒼天,慾哭無淚,一生人辛苦了十多年,才有的一層樓,真是為樓辛苦為樓忙,最後又死在樓手上。到現在梁振英還死不認錯,最怕的是不認錯,還會再錯,你說到時又會死多少人?

2003沙市之後,樓價之所以愎生,其實是曾陰權,孫公出了無數招的結果,天憐香港,日本樓市二十年還未走出苦海,美國樓市不知還要幾多年?死者已矣,死不能復生。但錯過不可再錯,要吸取教訓。政策錯,付代價的卻是貧苦百姓,cy一樣住得豪爽、食得豪爽,家住山頂。這可能是為數不少的選委縱使在壓力下也不投票給他的原因。

cy一日未認錯,全港市民都只能活在恐懼的日子,惶恐不可終日

2. ABCD 2012-03-29 12:55:29

Another bullshit article promoting 'location, location, location'!!!

3. AA 2012-03-29 13:00:02

多謝仲達兄

一個非常實際卻又容易在購置物業時被忽略的重點--通勤時間

小數怕長計,值得各位預備置業者留意!!

 

4. Hongkong People 2012-03-29 13:20:02
Add one point, branding is another factor determining the price. 

In HK, SHK has developed its branding and that why property project from SHK can always command a higher price even it has an inferior location.
5. 上善若水 2012-03-29 16:13:41

仲達兄:

一些補充:通勤時間其實有兩個意義,一個是客觀的時間,非常容易理解和計算。另一個是主觀認識的時間,它是人們長期以來在腦海中形成的固有觀念,非常不容易打破,就算告知以客觀事實也難以改變其觀念。

小弟現居於東涌。有一位好友,長期租住太古城,每次我們相約在IFC見面,大家同時由屋企出發,幾乎次次都是我早到。我屢次建議他租住東涌,可以享受更好的居住環境,也可以節省大量租金支出,他每次都會拒絕,拒絕的理由每次都是:“唔好啦,近中環返工!”

樓價高低,還有很明顯的區域因素。例如住港島區的人是非常不情願搬離港島的,哪怕他要在九龍甚至新界返工,以致港島區的樓價較高。其他城市也有類似的情況,據我所知,上海人是不願意搬到浦東的,哪怕浦東的居住環境較好。在北京,長期以來人們都喜歡住在城市的北面,以致現時北五環的樓價要比南三環的還要高(環數越大,表示離開市中心越遠)。這些情況令不在該城市生活的外地人難以理解!

6. 亮劍----王先生 2012-03-29 16:32:59

時間就是金錢,但香港交通費唔係嘢少,長線計好溶,就黎地鐵又話加---

7. 中間人 2012-03-29 17:25:53
的確,每一個城市都會有它們當地的特别標籤,例如在cwb的街上一看,自自然然會分得出那些是港島居民,那些是MK,那些是NT,那些是自由行等等,當然不是百分百準確,但其實這己是香港全在的自有標籤了,而外地人是不會懂的,論現今的市區樓的確不比新界好,無論價錢及pui套....etc, 但港島區不單是交通方便, 主要是它能给人一個港島區居民的身份和缳境  
8. 80後銀行從業員 2012-03-29 18:25:59

在2011的人口普查中, 印象中港島四區(港島東, 南, 灣仔和中西) 對比10年前都有人口凈流出數個百分比, 而且人口老化也嚴重. 估計有些是分支家庭成員遷往九龍新界, 又或者嫌港島樓貴而搬離.  

 

 

9. 中下產 2012-03-29 18:30:08
現在沙田巿中心的樓價都要6k一呎,就是仲達兄講通勤效應!
10. 80後銀行從業員 2012-03-29 18:49:28

想再補充一點. 其實哪一區的樓價如何是有一定的定律的. 引申仲達兄的理論, 假設A區比B區的車程遠45分鐘, 來回即為1.5小時, 假設每天工作8小時. 這多耗的1.5小時等於將閣下的時薪拖低了約20%了. 當然人工低時沒所謂的, 反正有的是時間. 但若身為領導層, 或者營商者就很寶貴了.

11. 80後銀行從業員 2012-03-29 18:54:47

這解釋了為何中西半山, 灣仔, 跑馬地, 九龍站等地佔了絕大部份的高價物業

12. 向饭民说不 2012-03-29 21:01:48
10楼,不要说沙田,就是屯门好快就要over 6 k。
13. X觀點 2012-03-29 21:15:55
無論你住到多遠,如果沒有塞車,基本上不需一個小時已經可以由銅鑼灣坐巴士回到家中!
14. Hongkong People 2012-03-29 21:21:06
Yes, people always feel more superior when they live in HK Island even they are in subsidized housing.  Even move to private condo. in N.T with bigger size, they will consider themselves downgrading.  A lot of time, it is the "face" issue that deter their move.
15. 80's passerby 2012-03-29 21:35:50

Insightful analysis !

It aslo matters if shop mall is around, central station is nearby, liquidity/size of the estate and uniqueness.

To reply no. 6:

I wish to share some ideas that :

1. Taking in account the event of getting off work after mid night where no MTR available and friend's gathering in town centre, Tung chung is inconvenient !

2. Huge demand in taikoo shing because family unity to certain extend, i.e. parents live in large unit, children live in neighbourhood to be taken care of

3. In Beijing, people making comparison by Eastern and Western district instead of northern and southern it is according to the geographic factor.  Meanwhile, northern areas more premier is because of the parks and historical development thereof. 

To reply No. 10,

Yes,  it is about the price of Festival City. Unbelieveable isn't it?

16. 80's passerby 2012-03-29 21:37:35

Agree with No. 15 !

17. Layman 2012-03-29 21:49:29
Bull shit ! Tuen Mun price mark up over 10, 000/feet is 豆腐價錢 ? And for your 通勤時間, Mid-level, Stanley or Peak should cheaper than Wanchai. Because of the travelling time to Central is shorter base on your 通勤時間!
18. 仲達 2012-03-29 22:48:21

多謝各位網友的支持及無私分享寶貴觀點。

給Hongkong People:觀乎你在本BLOG及其他BLOG的意見,有理據有數據,顯露出你的豐富樓市知識,還請多多賜教。

給上善兄:東涌是個好地方,居住環境良好,乘地鐵往中環只需半小時,是不少中產的選擇,加上未來基建改善,物業仍有升值潛力。只是大多數港人太過喜愛港島,加上政策似會增加干預樓市幅度,一時三刻不會有顯著升幅。

給80後銀行從業員:多謝你的寶貴意見,如果位居要職,工作時間的確遠超普通員工,有需要住近一點商業核心,此觀點本人亦相當認同。

給 80's passerby:你的回應有理據並多角度,十分好,請多留言。至於分支家庭問題,本人日後會撰文討論。

給ABCD:'location, location, location'是支持港九區高樓價的原因,與通勤時間是兩個概念,兩者並存,並不互相否定。

給Layman:要別人尊重,首先要尊重別人---本人從無在文中寫瓏門售價對用家而言是豆腐價錢,燒鵝味道,這是以發展商角度而言的評論,由於細節繁多,暫未談及。至於豪宅市場,是完全不同的市場,通勤時間不再是主宰,但仍有效用,日後必會詳談。

19. 80後銀行從業員 2012-03-29 23:19:29

小弟自小搬過很多次, 住過九龍灣 (淘大也住過, 是SARS前), 鰂魚涌, 炮台山, 筲箕灣, 將軍澳. 最後決定自住北角. 可說港九新界都有住過, 其實每區皆有可取之處, 還是住得開心最要緊.

20. Hongkong People 2012-03-30 00:20:49
Thank you for your compliment.  I think most people here loves HK and share their thinking and knowledge without reservation with an intention to give more perspectives for others to think through those issues happening around us.  From you bloggers and other people, I also learn a lot and can sharpen my thinking in different aspects and definitely will benefit myself in future investment decisions.

Thank you everybody and let's have more constructive discussion going forward.
21. Layman 2012-03-30 01:01:52
Who wrote "言歸正傳,還是回歸樓市---近期有什麼即將推售的樓花最有「豆腐價錢、燒鵝味道」之感?

這次不用猜,正是新地的屯門西鐵站上蓋項目「瓏門」。" at the previous article ? Obviously, you are a ghost writer from the developer or in property market profession and aim at to put the market price higher and higher !
22. 80後的蟻民 2012-03-30 07:53:49
Layman, 答案可以係無, 唔一定講緊瓏門的
自己亂估完又加諸想法係作者身上, 完全係陰謀論
23. mer1974 2012-03-30 12:08:08
仲達兄:
「...有誰想過,銅鑼灣曾經如此荒涼不便?」- 小弟另有見解:其實當年並非位處「鬧」市的銅鑼灣「荒涼不便」,而是位處 Pokfulam 的港大才是呵!  張愛玲用了四小時來回時間,是因為她要由一「荒涼不便」之地(港大),造訪另一「鬧市」之地(銅鑼灣), 有點兒末倒置呢! ^^
24. X觀點 2012-03-30 13:40:01
我相信張愛玲當年是行路去銅鑼灣!因為人的行路速度約每小時 4 公里,一來一回四小時剛剛好!
25. 同意 (1) 2012-04-03 00:16:56
同意 (1)
26. mini 2012-04-03 16:59:57

Depending on the individual needs, living in Tung Chung does need to consider the continuous gas emissions from the gas engines of the aircrafts and airborn noise. Also people do need to consider the transportation costs, say toll fees for the Tsing Ma Bridge and other tunnels. Particularly, the international oil prices remain over USD$100 per barrel because of a number of QE series in advanced countries and huge demand of oil from emerging countries. Even we only keep the car next to the home, today, we do need to pay at least USD$7 per day.

In the long term, Tofu Price is still a lot to the working class people in town.